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DGE Review 3: Atheist Delusions, by David Bentley Hart

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(This is the third in my "Does God Exist" series of reviews. There will be six or seven books on whether God exists or not. I'll read them for you, give a recap here, and then try to draw it all into some conclusions at the end. This is not meant as a religious discussion, more of an examination of the way smart people argue about really tough subjects.)

"The problem with those Christians," my friend told me one night, "is that they want to run all of our lives. I'm gay, and they even want to tell me I can't get married!"

I've had this discussion, or ones like it, many times before. There's usually some initial charge that involves current politics, like opposition to gay marriage, or abortion. Then "the list" comes out. We all know "the list" by now: the crusades, burning of the Pagan temples, the Thirty Year's War, trials for witchcraft and sorcery, and my favorite, The Inquisition (which Mel Brooks made into a wonderful musical, by the way)



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The conclusion is then "Christianity brings out the worst in people" or better yet "religion is a meme". It seems very fashionable among modern authors to go down the list, often at great length, in order to draw the conclusion that all religion is a sort of evolutionary hangover that mankind suffers from. Once we completely free ourselves from such superstitious silliness, only then will we able to move forward together.

David Bentley Hart
is having none of it.

I started this series to see how smart people deal with tough questions, and Hart's series of essays in "Atheist Delusions, the Christian Revolution and its Fashionable Enemies" decides to take on "the list" and the associated charges that Christianity has held back the West and the progress of culture and reason.

What can I say? Hart is a brilliant essayist and philosopher. This isn't Jerry Falwell giving us some 30-minute sermon. in fact, Hart doesn't get into religion per se much at all, except to explain how religious discussions fit into historical events. So this isn't a book meant to explain Christianity or convert people. This is a serious book by a scholar about Christianity's effect on the world and historical revisionism.

It's a "thick" book, which means if you're from the MTV generation like me you're sometimes going to find it tough going. I bogged down a couple of times, but made it through the entire book and am glad I read it. David sometimes makes a point so fine that I'm not sure where the point is by the time he gets to it. So I'm sure that whatever I say in my review is only going to butcher up his work. But hey, this is the internet: you pays your money and you takes your chances.

Hart takes us through all of the items on the list, exhaustively, and shows how they are commonly misunderstood (in his eyes). Inquisition? Awful thing and terrible tragedy, but most folks were spared by the church, not killed by it (the Spanish Inquisition, after all, was primarily a state proceeding). Crusades? Terrible tragedy and awful disaster, but also a colossal disaster for everyone concerned. On only a few occasions in the entire book did I think David was glossing over history. In each of these, he catches himself and explains to the reader: the goal isn't to say that all Christians are wonderful people or that Christianity in its entirety has always been a boon to civilization. The goal is to put things into context -- so that people don't understand these things on the list as cartoon images but deeply realize why and how they occurred.

Hart feels that a deep understanding of these events allow them to be read another way: that Christianity was a revolution in the moral understanding of the human. I've read his book, and he makes a very persuasive case. The idea that the common man: slave, laborer, craftsman, was actually a man could only happen because of Christianity. Strange as it may seem to our ears, the idea that people are people, that all humans have worth, wasn't around in the classical age.

He makes a broader case: to rail against "religion" is to have such a poorly defined enemy as not to have one at all. When authors speak of religion as a general thing to attack the definition is so mushy they can stretch it to meet just about anything. It's the ultimate straw man argument. I've had this problem with atheists for some time -- how do you know what not to believe in? Seems like the only rational position without evidence is agnostic, yet we have some "fire and brimstone" atheists out there, who are as sure there isn't a God as some believers are that there is one.

Hart views the modern bunch of atheists -- Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Dennis, et al -- as fairly crude poseurs for much greater thinkers throughout the ages. Or, in laymen's terms, what we got now for atheists is third string stuff. There have been much better commentators on religion and atheism in the past. Nietzsche, for instance, comes up many times in David's book. What to do about morals without a larger framework of religion to hold them up? Hart feels that the most reasonable answer is with Nietzsche, nihilism, and exercise of the will.

I think David is on to something here, although I wouldn't give all the credit to Nietzsche. And I think there's a long way to go from fervent dogmatist in some religious order and nihilist -- I'm not so sure the choice is so black-and-white. I am suspicious that there exists a blend between existentialism and belief in some higher power. Such could lead to a a "framework free" system of values that, without a structured church or orthodoxy, acknowledges various religious traditions as important creative placeholders for a deeper understanding of the infinite. But I digress. (And I'm just talking out of my butt, which is always a danger with these types of discussions.)

Indeed, Hart seems to feel that Christianity's greatest defeat was when Constantine decided to make it part of the state. The reasoning seemed to be if you can't beat them, join them. He sees much of what we call the historical evils of Christianity as part of a struggle between the inward understanding of God that Christianity brings and the state's desire to totally dominate the person. Christianity, as did Judaism, calls the individual to a higher purpose than simply serving the state. It is this tension between secular and religious, between inward and outward authorities, and the resolution to it, that has caused so much turmoil (and progress) in society.

I'm going to take it farther and state it clearly for my atheist friends: Christianity represents the highest evolved form of creative understanding of the unknown that anything yet has brought. Not organized or formal Christianity, but the belief that the infinite became a human and sacrificed himself for the rest of us brings forth a system of behavior based around valuing the individual as infinitely precious and promoting sacrifice for others as a virtue. From an external viewpoint the observation that the species does best as a whole when individual members have some greater standard than self-preservation seems obvious, yet it's proven impossible to reliably externally instill into individuals. You can dilly dally and nibble around the edges all you want, but at the end of the day the very value systems you use to attack Christianity are intricately based on its existence. The rock of modernity that you stand on to look back through the past is the very thing you find so lacking. Very ironic, that.

In addition, the intellectual and philosophical struggles as Christianity took this religion of self-sacrifice and higher morals and integrated it with the classical world is what has led to a great part of what we call the modern world. Thirty Year's War? Led to our idea of freedom of religion. Crusades? Led to the idea of public hospitals where the poor and sick could go for help. Did anybody forget the thousands of hospitals built in the Middle Ages? Protestant Reformation? Led to the idea that what you believe can be sourced authentically back to one book or provable source. To me this belief is the basis of modern science. In fact, looking at a lot of the great thinkers of the last two thousand years, most of them were Christians who used their faith as a sounding board to move into uncharted territories.

We are so surrounded by the after effects of Christianity's struggle with classicism that it's become invisible to us. Hart does a great job of letting us start to see these things once again. (without overstating the case, which I've probably done)

But all of this really doesn't get to the question: does God exist? instead it basically is a response to the current, feeble brand of populist atheism. (I reserve my prerogative to remain a Hitchens fan when it comes to his style of writing)

So this is a good book. Makes you think. If you're a die-hard atheist, I'd recommend going out and slogging through it, especially if you've spent time with some of the modern atheism books. But be prepared to take your time and spend some time looking up his points, especially if you're not a philosophy and history junkie like me. If you're a fervent believer, maybe not so much: you've already for whatever reasons picked a side and Hart isn't going to add much for you except a deeper understanding of history.

Which in itself is a good thing. Even if Hart is mostly wrong here, which I don't think he is, it's good to read opposing views about history. It gives a deeper understanding of the things that happened. You want your history to read like a comic book? Or a epic novel? I'll take the grown-up version, please.

In the end Hart didn't make much of a dent in the way I view the universe: I still think that some kind of Great Unknown is a necessary part of the human experience. I did, however, find comfort in his evening the score with some of the modern writers, which I think do a great disservice to atheism in general. This is worth the read. The ideas in it are going to be part of me for a long time to come.

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"I still think that some kind of Great Unknown is a necessary part of the human experience."
Yes, exactly!
But why, oh why, do religious people insist to ignore the real "Great Unknown": The true law and history of Nature.
Instead all true mystery is explained away as a mere effluence of the ultimate, big, unsolvable Mother-of-all-Mysteries: "God".
I'd rather concentrate on the real stuff, we don't need that useless extra mystery.
Also, "from a false premise everything follows", which makes "God" a dangerous thing to have in our lives.
Fortunately, Ockham's razor neatly shaves it away!

I'm okay with calling the Great Unknown God. It's a nice, one-syllable word, and it matches up with what most cultures use.

Ockham's razor is an interesting tool that I use quite a bit, but there is a presumption inside of it that the user of the tool knows what is more or less simple. For example, a flashlight to an ancient would be magic: to describe it in terms of electricity and photons would be to add too many terms to the equation. So Ockham can lead you astray -- especially in those cases where you don't know what the heck you are talking about.

Speaking of Nietzsche, your "...ironic that" notation is also an observation of his: That language and the edifices of the discussion of Christianity's burden are, in themselves, Christian.

It seems we cannot escape either Christianity or Nietzsche is discussing the former!

Steven,

Thanks for that point. I overlooked it.

About a year ago I listened to a great set of tapes from the Teaching Company about existentialism: http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/CourseDescLong2.aspx?cid=437

I found a strong attraction to existentialism as a result of those tapes. I plan on pursuing this attraction further, but I'm slowly building up a based of knowledge to begin reading the authors -- some of this material is very tough for the average programmer Joe to work their way through.

So I really appreciate your pointing out Nietzsche's views. Seems like we just can't get away from both Christianity OR Existentalism.

"If an atheist screams: 'Oh, my God!', what exactly does that person means?" -- Aschwin Wesselius

Any idealist group will sooner or later get a leadership that goes astray. They take the concept to far, or they smell power and can't help it to abuse that power and divert it into evil practices.

Christianity is not a religion, it's a belief. And no, you can't put Roman Catholicism and the Protestant Reformation in the same box and call it Christianity. They are very, very different, but have the same base.

Religion is based on the idea to earn a place in the afterlife or in the next phase of your spiritual journey. Most religions have rituals, sanctuaries and a lot of superstitious make-believe to accomplish this goal.

Christianity, or rather the christian belief, is only based on Christ on the cross and to accept that fact. That's about it. No more or no less complicated than that. It's as comlicated enough already and anybody who tells you otherwise, has not read the bible thoroughly and understood properly what it tries to tell you.

Inquisitions, wars, terror and all kinds of abuse in the name of the bible has a lot to do with the human error factor and a lot less to do with what the bible is for. Yes, I know about the Old Testament, but like it says, it's old. And nowhere it says that I or anyone else should go out and put other people to the choice to believe or not.

What it does say is to go out and love your neighbour like you love yourselves. And what you want to be done to you, do that to the other. But that seems not so important to most people. They rather seek foulness and dirt so they can portray themselves better than their neighbour. I'm sorry, but that sounds more like natural selection to me and how good is that?

Anyhow, religion or belief is a personal and spiritual matter. There is no definition needed nor an agreement to follow your own spiritual growth and become a better person. But the referral to 'better' is for a lot of people blurred.

- Unomi -

Can you explain how that shaving happens? I'm confused by what you mean.

A lot of the modern atheist books (Hitchens stuff especially) seem to have the goal of disproving religion based on all the wrongdoings people who held Christian beliefs have done liked you talked about. But I just don't see the connection between what people do and whether a specific idea like whether or not Jesus was God like he claimed to be is true. It's talking around the main argument.

Oh, and I've been lurking on your blog for a while and am really enjoying this series. :)

"Christianity represents the highest evolved form of creative understanding of the unknown that anything yet has brought....the belief that the infinite became a human and sacrificed himself for the rest of us brings forth a system of behavior based around valuing the individual as infinitely precious and promoting sacrifice for others as a virtue."

Actually, the most obvious lesson from the OT and NT stories is that God finds human beings eminently disposable. The core virtue of Christianity is punishment and the threat of punishment, in order to force love of and obedience to God's will. The great celestial protection racket that is God's "sacrifice" of himself, to himself, creates an insecure ambivalent attachment to the God figure, more colloquially known as Stockholm Syndrome.

Or to put it more simply: "Love Me, or Burn" completely annihilates the idea of "valuing the individual as infinitely precious." However, it does a beautiful job of "promoting sacrifice for others as a virtue." Especially when that other is God, or his earthly priesthood by proxy. Which is arguably the entire point of such a belief.

Quite frankly, Hart's rendition of history, and contempt for the arguments of the New Atheists, simply ignores this glaringly obvious elephant in the proverbial room, thus rendering his argument as a whole fatally and irrevocably flawed.

Hi DeJuan,

I'm tempted to say something like "you're going to hell for that one!" but I'm not sure if the humor would work.

I think you're making the mistake I see over and over again -- you're making a straw man out of Christianity and then beating it down.

If you're talking about "Christianity", the movement, then it's a fluid thing that has changed quite a bit over thousands of years. Not a single thing. If you are talking about "Christianity", the personal experience, then it's an extremely individual thing with millions of different interpretations. In either case, it's not a thing like "hammers" or "pork bellies". It's fluid and very hard to pin down with broad labels.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to ignore what you've said because you've got a terrific gem of truth in there: whenever people creatively explore reasons for existence there's a great temptation to be self-serving. ("God is going to take me home unless you send $2 million right now" or "Back in the good old days we followed God and he liked us. Now he's kicking our ass. Follow me and that will stop" or more subtly, "Adam screwed up and therefore you're cursed. Boy do I have the way out of that problem")

Perhaps this because people have always been kicked in the gut by life with little to no reason why -- it's not surprising that their associated forms of deity would be rather capricious and on the butt-kicking side. And who's to say there's not a non-discoverable big, angry man in the sky controlling things in ways we don't understand? I think the best answer I have to that is that it doesn't matter -- if a non-provable being is doing things to you in undiscoverable ways it's truly something not to get all worried about.

But none of that addresses the key concept: what is Christianity? I think when you look at the dozens or hundreds of different interpretations you have to acknowledge it's an imminently flexible system of beliefs built around sacrificing oneself for some greater good. There may be an elephant in the room, but there are a lot of rooms, and a lot of them don't have elephants in them at all.

My concern, whatever your belief are, is that you realize that there is no "evolving" past myth and creative reasoning. They're a metaphysically integral part of being a finite being. So it's not like people a thousand years from now will somehow all become Vulcans or rational-thinking supermen. There isn't some progression from caves to Olympus where Christianity is about half-way up the hill or anything like that. Rather our social and cultural myths will continue to help define our judgments and actions in places where we have incomplete information. And that's going to be a lot of areas.

Might as well come to terms with the limits of rationality and human thinking. It exists (and we've evolved ways to deal with it) whether any of this other stuff exists or is worthwhile or not.

Hope that makes sense to you. Thanks for the comment!

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. And I love religious humor :)

Although I am an atheist by choice today, I was baptized Catholic and was raised Methodist, so if I wanted to go to Heaven, I had a choice between receiving Last Rites, or bringing a covered dish :)

My point is, there is a difference between what people are taught/believe what their religion says, and what it actually says. Which was the point of my last post.

My wife is a Christian, who believes that the best way to interpret Scripture is to read the 4 Gospels and ignore everything else. Which is a very common Christian practice, as it eliminates the majority of the heinous and immoral practices of Yahweh. Another is to simply declare that the entire Bible is beyond one's comprehension, believe in the goodness of Jesus, and in Heaven, and live a moral secular life as best you can. Again, a very common practice amongst Christians.

You'll probably draw the same two conclusions from the above paragraph as I did: 1. These kinds of Christians are compatible with the education, morality, and multi-cultural ethics of modernity; 2. These kinds of Christians are incompatible with the main themes of scriptural teachings, and frankly, have been for centuries (as have been pointed out from pulpits, as well as repeatedly in Scripture itself).

I agree with your points, but don't think I'm strawmaning Christianity per se, as I see a difference between the personal experience and fluid movement of Christian culture, as experienced by my wife and the vast majority of Christians, and the foundational beliefs as recorded in Scripture and passed on from generation to generation as divine revealed truth, when study actually reveals most of them to be uneducated assertions and superstitions.

Correction: I meant Insecure Disorganized Attachment (need more coffee :) ).

Again, Daniel, thank you very much for the reply, as well as the original post. Even if we never see eye to eye on issues like these, the exchange is educational and rewarding in and of itself.

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